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Please remove ChatGPT option from KudoZ (Staff: removed)
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It doesn’t always do it at once Sep 19, 2023

You have to sometimes ask it subquestions before it does that. If I type in a word+some context in Google I am usually quickly at the target.

Whether something is a false friend or not I can quickly identify based on whether it makes sense in my context.


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Gotta agree with Ling on this one. Sep 19, 2023

My preferred search engine incorporates AI to summarize results, though. So I suppose I'm kinda cheating.



For the record, I don't use Google or Bing. I have no idea how do they perform nowadays.

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... and the silence of the ProZ moderators continues as well Sep 20, 2023

@ProZ moderators:
Can we get an answer to our questions here? It doesn't make sense to introduce a feature, asking for improvements and then keeping silent if comments are not so good.
(And no: I'm not saying that ChatGPT is useless everywhere, but it is as used in KudoZ ...)


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A confused bot Sep 21, 2023

I can see a post was removed and which contained a Kudoz question in one of my language pairs.
It's not just the translation suggestions that ChatGPT offers, but also the examples it gives in the body of the answer.
From what I've seen of this question, it seems to me that the bot is very confused! It mixes Portuguese from Portugal with Portuguese from Brazil. It doesn't know how to use personal pronouns.
This is yet another reason why nobody should trust this feature and it j
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I can see a post was removed and which contained a Kudoz question in one of my language pairs.
It's not just the translation suggestions that ChatGPT offers, but also the examples it gives in the body of the answer.
From what I've seen of this question, it seems to me that the bot is very confused! It mixes Portuguese from Portugal with Portuguese from Brazil. It doesn't know how to use personal pronouns.
This is yet another reason why nobody should trust this feature and it just proves how useless it is.
I've used this option myself out of curiosity for the first time, but I have no intention of using it in the future.
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Removal of post Sep 22, 2023

Rule 3.7.
Commentary on askers or answerers, and their postings or decisions to post, is not allowed.
Comments or insinuations concerning an answerer's or asker's experience or profile, his/her decision to post a certain question or answer, grade or close a question in a certain way, make a certain glossary entry, etc., are strictly prohibited (whether posted publicly, made directly to the person in question, or made to another site user).

Just to be sure: Were these po
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Rule 3.7.
Commentary on askers or answerers, and their postings or decisions to post, is not allowed.
Comments or insinuations concerning an answerer's or asker's experience or profile, his/her decision to post a certain question or answer, grade or close a question in a certain way, make a certain glossary entry, etc., are strictly prohibited (whether posted publicly, made directly to the person in question, or made to another site user).

Just to be sure: Were these posts removed because they questioned ChatGPT's experience? How can we discuss this feature if we're not allowed to do this or comment on the quality of its answers?

[Edited at 2023-09-22 06:13 GMT]
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Me too Sep 22, 2023

ibz wrote:

Rule 3.7.

Just to be sure: Were these posts removed because they questioned ChatGPT's experience? How can we discuss this feature if we're not allowed to do this or comment on the quality of its answers?

[Edited at 2023-09-22 06:13 GMT]

I was wondering the same thing. Are we to understand that ChatGPT now enjoys the status of a full member of ProZ?


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ibz wrote:

Just to be sure: Were these posts removed because they questioned ChatGPT's experience? How can we discuss this feature if we're not allowed to do this or comment on the quality of its answers?


One of the posts was the one where I linked to the latest ChatGPT answer,
and I got a message stating the rule you mentioned and
"Commentary on KudoZ askers or answerers, and their postings or decisions to post, is not allowed."

Here's GPT's Kudoz list: https://www.proz.com/profile/670924?popup=kudoz&mode=answered



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Zea_Mays wrote:

Here's GPT's Kudoz list: https://www.proz.com/profile/670924?popup=kudoz&mode=answered



that's quite a few people using the option.


 
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I would add to the questions asked Sep 22, 2023

Philip Lees wrote:

ibz wrote:

Rule 3.7.

Just to be sure: Were these posts removed because they questioned ChatGPT's experience? How can we discuss this feature if we're not allowed to do this or comment on the quality of its answers?

[Edited at 2023-09-22 06:13 GMT]

I was wondering the same thing. Are we to understand that ChatGPT now enjoys the status of a full member of ProZ?


Are Humans being compared to ChatGPT?
As far as I know it's not a person (a human being regarded as an individual)... or is it, staff? I think you will need to rephrase that rule now.


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The point is another Sep 22, 2023

Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:

Zea_Mays wrote:

Here's GPT's Kudoz list: https://www.proz.com/profile/670924?popup=kudoz&mode=answered



that's quite a few people using the option.


Well, "quite a few" is relative... Think about how many people ask questions on Kudoz in many langugage combinations compared to this list...
As said, I think many of the askers are just curious,
one of the last ones even opted for allowing an AI answer by mistake.

But the usage numbers are not the point, it is the bot's average performance.
I don't think there is a Proz user with that disagreement rate.


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Unfortunately Sep 23, 2023

Zea_Mays wrote:

Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:

Zea_Mays wrote:

Here's GPT's Kudoz list: https://www.proz.com/profile/670924?popup=kudoz&mode=answered



that's quite a few people using the option.


Well, "quite a few" is relative... Think about how many people ask questions on Kudoz in many langugage combinations compared to this list...
As said, I think many of the askers are just curious,
one of the last ones even opted for allowing an AI answer by mistake.

But the usage numbers are not the point, it is the bot's average performance.
I don't think there is a Proz user with that disagreement rate.


Unfortunately, I could think of at least one human user who managed to achieve a very impressive rate of "barrage disagrees" on practically each and every of his answers before quitting. OK, that's one of very few outliers, the average Proz member is ways above this bot.

Anyway, that won't change the strange fact that this ChatGPT bot is somehow considered as a "normal" user - the equal of a human user whose feelings ought not to be hurt by questioning its competence!



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Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:

Zea_Mays wrote:

Here's GPT's Kudoz list: https://www.proz.com/profile/670924?popup=kudoz&mode=answered



that's quite a few people using the option.


Actually, the number of unique users of the AI option is somewhat smaller than the number of colleagues who have "Agreed" with the OP's plea to remove ChatGPT from Kudoz:
https://www2.proz.com/forum/prozcom_translator_coop/363811-please_remove_chatgpt_from_kudoz.html#3011377

On balance, I'd only use 'wow' in respect of the bot's dismal Kudoz points record and its inability to attract repeat users.


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Invented explanations Sep 25, 2023

Let's see if we can discuss the quality of ChatGPT's answers / explanations.
For example to this question:
https://www2.proz.com/kudoz/english-to-german/construction-civil-engineering/7151740-"de-characterized-dam".html?phpv_redirected=1

The answer as well as the explanations are cle
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Let's see if we can discuss the quality of ChatGPT's answers / explanations.
For example to this question:
https://www2.proz.com/kudoz/english-to-german/construction-civil-engineering/7151740-"de-characterized-dam".html?phpv_redirected=1

The answer as well as the explanations are clearly made up:
There is no such thing as a "decharakterisierter Damm" but ChatGPT just invents some sentences, saying that this term does in fact exist. Complete nonsense, if you ask me.
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