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ibz wrote:
…Why would ProZ include an option that nobody explicitly demanded and that many professional translators/paying members don’t find useful at all?
Still waiting for an answer …
They obviously thought it would be useful. Some people use it, so it must be useful to them. Otherwise they would not select the option. Are you saying that these colleagues should not be allowed to use an option they find useful? Also, how do you know that many professional translators/paying members don't find it useful at all? Have you run some kind of survey? I can only see about 10 translators complaining here. I can only come to the conclusion that a small minority are trying to shut down a function they don't like. I don't like it either, but if a colleague wants to use it, fine by me. They should have the option.
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| Another way of saying ... | Sep 18, 2023 |
Denis Fesik wrote: expressisverbis wrote:
In my humble opinion, ChatGPT can only be useful for trying to understand more complex concepts, not for translating I already wrote a post about Chat doing some physics and mathematics. These fields have concepts that are more complex than those involved in translation (though the latter may be complex enough in my book), but my impression is that Chat cannot conceptualize anything complex, nor is it any good at helping people understand anything. Its vacuous truths and shameless lies can't produce understanding. This is an IMHO, too [Edited at 2023-09-16 14:20 GMT]
Agree, and what you said is another way of saying that ChatGPT is in fact NOT any kind of "intelligence" - it's incapable of reasoning (or IOW of "conceptualizing" anything). It's no more than a very advanced "statistical model" only capable of selectively regurgitating what was feed into it. If humans put into it that Earth is flat, that's what you'll get out of it.
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| Abbreviations, acronyms and alike | Sep 18, 2023 |
Denis Fesik wrote: expressisverbis wrote:
In my humble opinion, ChatGPT can only be useful for trying to understand more complex concepts, not for translating More complex? Like what?
I've always found this to be one of the most complicated things in our profession.
What's complex for me may not be for you.
A while ago I was looking for the translation of an acronym that I thought was in English and I later discovered that it was in Russian...
I discovered that thanks to ChatGPT.
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| GPT discoveries | Sep 18, 2023 |
Whatever GPT discovers, I can also discover by a simple Google search.
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TOPIC STARTER | How useful is this feature? | Sep 18, 2023 |
Giovanni Guarnieri MITI, MIL wrote:
Also, how do you know that many professional translators/paying members don't find it useful at all? Have you run some kind of survey? I can only see about 10 translators complaining here.
If you take some time to read the the comments regarding ChatGPT's answers in the link provided by Zea_Mays, you will see ...
@ ProZ team: Once again: Please give us some insight as to the reasons for implementing this feature (I know I'm getting on your nerves, but an answer would be nice )
[Edited at 2023-09-18 11:47 GMT]
| | | | | Yes, that's when things can get evil | Sep 18, 2023 |
expressisverbis wrote:
I've always found this to be one of the most complicated things in our profession.
What's complex for me may not be for you.
A while ago I was looking for the translation of an acronym that I thought was in English and I later discovered that it was in Russian... I discovered that thanks to ChatGPT
Sometimes letter codes are set out in standards and the letters don't mean anything, and if you simply transliterate, you won't find anything by entering the transliterated acronym into a search system. So when you need to use these acronyms in an English text, you have to leave them in Cyrillic for whoever may want to learn more. However, documents submitted for translation are often in .pdf and have to be recognised. НЗ2 will be recognised as Н32 even though the first two characters are actually Cyrillic letters (I think they use similar codes to designate safety classes for NPP equipment). A concsientious translator will check all such codes and write them correctly (some Russian standards use both Latin and Cyrillic letters in their designation systems, so you must always check unless you already know which ones are used), so a person who wants to know what they mean will at least find websites written in Russian. Another option is just to transliterate and specify the original acronim in parentheses but this will seriously impair the readability of the translation. Most translators just don't care
[Edited at 2023-09-18 10:08 GMT]
| | | | expressisverbis
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Lingua 5B wrote:
Whatever GPT discovers, I can also discover by a simple Google search.
And I bet I've been using Google and other resources much longer than you to know that very well.
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ibz wrote: If you take some time to read the the comments regarding ChatGPT's answers in the link provided by Zea_Mays, you will see ... @ ProZ team: Once again: Please give us some insight as to the reasons for implementing this feature (I know I'm getting on your nerves, but an answer would be nice ) [Edited at 2023-09-18 11:27 GMT]
You don't have to ask me, but the colleagues that keep selecting the option.
I'm sure ProZ will give an explanation, at some point... 
| | | | | This is a salient point, I think | Sep 18, 2023 |
Björn Vrooman wrote: Philip Lees wrote:
I don't share your vision of users flooding Kudoz with MT suggestions. I've seen no evidence of this in my language pair and in fact I think it's rather insulting to the translators who frequent this site.
Maybe not in yours, Philip, but I've definitely seen people (I guess there's still a person at the other end posting the output) doing it in mine.
Me too, obviously, hence my original comment.
Neither do I share Mr Lees' apparently high opinion of the quality of questioners.
Anyway, as I said a few days back, my acceptance of this feature came about mainly from considering the counterfactual. Namely, my belief that if ChatGPT wasn't providing automated answers, there would be threads on here by folk demanding that proz does something about people bagging points by posting answers from ChatGPT.
As other tools gain traction (e.g. Bard), I suspect proz might have to implement them too. It would be an interesting comparison, at least.
| | | | | Better than simple web search | Sep 19, 2023 |
Lingua 5B wrote:
Whatever GPT discovers, I can also discover by a simple Google search.
I've found that ChatGPT is considerably superior to a simple search when you're looking for a term that's very common and can be used in many different ways. I've posted examples of this in other threads, but one area is abbreviations used in a particular context. ChatGPT will weed out most of the dead ends (sorry for the mixed metaphor) and save you poring through lists of false friends.
Specific terminology is another one. ChatGPT found me very quickly a definition for the use of the term "Dice" (a parameter in the evaluation of automated image analysis) when it was presented in a general medical context.
Depending on the task, ChatGPT is sometimes great, sometimes slightly helpful, and sometimes completely useless. The trick is to learn which is which.
ProZ doesn't seem to have done its due diligence on this.
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| OK, but I don’t get it. | Sep 19, 2023 |
I can find the many different ways a term is used in a dictionary. Maybe I am missing something here.
The only handy thing I could think of is being in one window while searching but…one also has to ask GPT subquestions much like you have search multilayers in Google. I really see no difference.
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Lingua 5B wrote:
I can find the many different ways a term is used in a dictionary. Maybe I am missing something here.
I doubt you'd find the above usage of "Dice" in your dictionary. For one thing, it's a proper name.
Asking computers questions in the right way is an art that has to be learned. Isaac Asimov wrote some stories about it.
Me: I'm trying to remember a story, or a series of stories, by Isaac Asimov that centred on a group of experts who were specialised in constructing questions in a way that was most likely to get a useful answer from a supercomputer. Only these experts could do this, in a way that would elicit neither too much, nor too little information. Can you help me?
ChatGPT: Yes, the stories you're referring to are likely from Isaac Asimov's "Multivac" series, which features a supercomputer called Multivac and a group of experts known as "questioners" or "informationists."
Multivac is a highly advanced supercomputer in Asimov's science fiction universe, and the stories often revolve around humanity's interactions with it and the challenges of formulating questions to obtain valuable and precise information from the computer. The "questioners" or "informationists" are specialized individuals who are skilled in crafting questions to extract optimal answers from Multivac.
These stories often explore the complexities of information retrieval, the art of asking the right questions, and the implications of relying on advanced technology for decision-making and problem-solving.
Some notable stories in this series include "The Machine That Won the War," "All the Troubles of the World," and "Question."
Asimov was exploring these ideas in the 1950s.
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Philip Lees wrote: Lingua 5B wrote:
I can find the many different ways a term is used in a dictionary. Maybe I am missing something here.
I doubt you'd find the above usage of "Dice" in your dictionary. For one thing, it's a proper name.co
You mean this: https://www.sandia.gov/ccr/software/digital-image-correlation-engine-dice/
It’s impossible for something to be on GPT without it being on Google, because: Google is an older system and GPT extracts a lot from Google.
[Edited at 2023-09-19 07:29 GMT]
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| Please read it again, Lingua 5B | Sep 19, 2023 |
Philip Lees wrote:
ChatGPT will weed out most of the dead ends (sorry for the mixed metaphor) and save you poring through lists of false friends.
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