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Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

orthomologisches Konsil

English translation:

ophthalmologic consult(ation)

Added to glossary by Bettina Grieser Johns
Oct 2, 2018 09:58
5 yrs ago
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German term

orthomologisches Konsil

German to English Medical Medical: Health Care Schlaganfalluntersuchung
Und gleich noch eine mit demselben Kontext (Arztbericht uber einen Patienten mit Apoplexie). Ich habe dieses Wort 'orthomologisch' nirgends gefunden und frage mich, ob es ein Schreibfehler ist. Der ganze Satz lautet: 'orthomologische Konsil mit Perimetrie: keine Lyse, Ass 100 mg weiter'. Bei einem Patienten mit Insult in der Sehrinde wurde ein Stroke-Konsil durchgefuehrt, und unter der Ueberschrift steht auch das orthomologische Konsil.

Vielen Dank im voraus!
Proposed translations (English)
3 +2 ophthalmologic consult(ation)
4 Ophthalmology specialists meeting
References
CONSULTATION vs KONSIL

Discussion

Stuart and Aida Nelson Oct 6, 2018:
@ Havana - Optometry Agree with asking the client. I just had a thought that what the source text probably meant was 'Optometry' because perimetry is measured within optometry. See:

Atlas of Computerized Perimetry - Optometry

https://journals.lww.com/optvissci/Fulltext/2000/03000/Atlas...

In any event, the source word seems to be a clear typographical error.
Havana Basaran Oct 4, 2018:
Maybe the best option here is... I sometimes directly contact the author of the text that I fail to understand, and ask the following question: "What did you try to mean here?"

I am still stuck at the "orthomological" part. The German medical jargon has changed under the American cultural domination, and today some terms are even solely bootlegged from English, instead of being generated from German language. Is this an old text, or one written by an old author? I suggest this, for I have seen this happen also with Turkish medical jargon.
Stuart and Aida Nelson Oct 3, 2018:
Consultation - Consult Consultation
a procedure whereby, on request by one physician, another physician reviews a patient's medical history, examines the patient, and makes recommendations as to care and treatment. The medical consultant often is a specialist with expertise in a particular field of medicine.

https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/medical con...

What is the difference between a consult and a referral?

Many patients come to see endocrinologists upon the request of their primary care or other physicians. The reimbursement for a consult is more than a referral. Therefore, most cognitive specialists prefer to see new patients in consultation.

https://www.healio.com/endocrinology/news/blogs/{7c79a615-ff...

I have never come across the word consult in this context in British English. It seems to be used in USA to describe referral but not for Konsil as in German.
Anne Schulz Oct 3, 2018:
I am sure there are different concepts and uses associated with this term; what I said refers to "Konsil" as being used in a typical hospital report. A gathering of physicians for multidisciplinary discussion of cases would typically be called Konferenz or Fallbesprechung (or Tumorboard, for cancer patients), but some people may also call it a Konsil.
Stuart and Aida Nelson Oct 3, 2018:
@ Anne I am very grateful that you are addressing our question because we have always wondered about this when doing our translations.

My point is that 1. Wikipedia = describes Konsil as a meeting of different specialists as I said in my answer; the link is also found in my answer. 2. Many times, you find in 'deutsche Arztberichte' that several specialists from different units have come to a 'Konsil' to discuss findings and give advice. 3. If you see the sentence in this question, it describes a 'stroke-Konsil'. I have also had experience with British hospitals where several doctors from different units have gathered to held something like a 'stroke conference'. However, I can see that the concepts are different in both countries. Thank you.
Anne Schulz Oct 3, 2018:
@Stuart and Aida A Konsil is the same for in-patients as a consultation is for out-patients who go and see a specialist upon referral of their GP. The ward physician requests a specialist from another department (or some office-based contract physician) to come and see the patient and give his/her opinion on some special-field aspect which may be relevant for the general treatment of this patient.
Susanne Schiewe Oct 3, 2018:
Ist wahrscheinlich ein Spracherkennungsfehler. Die wenigen Fundstellen deuten darauf hin, dass eigentlich "orthomolekular" gemeint ist. Das ergibt im Zusammenhang aber wohl keinen Sinn.
Havana Basaran Oct 3, 2018:
@Susanne To my knowledge, machine translators don't have a tendency for neologism. A word that doesn't exist in a language doesn't appear in a machine translation.
Susanne Schiewe Oct 3, 2018:
@Havana Obviously a machine translation which does not make any sense.
Havana Basaran Oct 3, 2018:
So, we're gonna take this as a typo? I have found the word "orthomologie" in the following website: http://www.optigen.com/opt9_info_de.html
Gestängeanalyse und vergleichbares Diagramm der Hunde- progressiven Stangekegel Degeneration (prcd) stellt mögliche Orthomologie mit retinitis pigmentosa (RP17) in den Menschen - Artikel durch Dr. her Acland und Kollegen
Stuart and Aida Nelson Oct 2, 2018:
@ Susanne Es kann sein. Es würde aber ein Stroke-Konsil durchgeführt. Es geht mir grundsätzlich um die Frage im allgemein.
Susanne Schiewe Oct 2, 2018:
Man hat m. E. einen Augenarzt hinzugezogen, der die Perimetrie (also eine Untersuchung) durchgeführt hat. Insofern war es keine reine Fallbesprechung unter Spezialisten.
Stuart and Aida Nelson Oct 2, 2018:
Consultation and Konsil - False Friends To my understanding, a consultation is a visit to a consultant = Facharzt or in the wider sense to the GP. 'Konsil' is not a consultation in this sense. Konsil is a meeting of specialists to discuss the findings and further treatment. Does anybody agree or disagree or have further thoughts on this? It would be interesting to clarify the meaning and translation of these two 'false friends' in translation. Cheers, Aida

Proposed translations

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Selected

ophthalmologic consult(ation)

"Ophthalmologisches Konsil" sollte das vermutlich heißen.

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Note added at 12 Min. (2018-10-02 10:11:19 GMT)
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Geht mir auch oft so, dass ich ein o. Konsil bräuchte :-)
Note from asker:
Of course! Why didn't I see that? Thanks, Susanne!
Peer comment(s):
agree David Tracey, PhD
3 mins
Thank you, David
agree Lirka : I'd say ophthalomology (rather than ophthalmologic) consult
10 hrs
Thank you, lirka
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks to everybody for this highly interesting discussion! Due to the nature of the job I was unable to ask the client; otherwise I would have done. The report was from this year but of course I have no idea how old the reporting doctor was. I'm going with Susanne's suggestion because I think a consultation IS a specialist meeting (patient meeting specialist) and it is shorter and therefore more elegant. And I think 'ophthalmology' is more likely than 'optometry' although I take Stuart's and Aida's point about perimetry. Again, thanks to everybody for their thoughts on this!"
1 day 3 hrs

Ophthalmology specialists meeting

Explanation:

Ophthalmology specialists meeting

Google did not yield any results for 'orthomologisch' and I agree that is a typographical error. It should be 'ophthalmologisches Konsil'.

In addition, one of the difficulties we have come across is translating the word 'Konsil'

'Konsil' is a meeting of specialists in the area that is examined in order to discuss the patient's findings and give an appropriate recommendation for further treatment. As you can see in the following explanation by Wikipedia. The meeting could consist of doctors, psychotherapist, consultants, etc. Therefore, we have opted for describing 'Konsil' as 'specialists meeting'

Was ist ein Konsil?

Das Konsil oder Konsilium (lateinisch consilium: „Beratung“, „Rat“, „Ratschlag“) ist in der Medizin die patientenbezogene Beratung von Ärzten oder Psychotherapeuten durch einen entsprechenden Facharzt.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konsil

Specialists meeting

https://mdspatientsupport.org.uk/event/mds-specialists-meeti...

Or

Ophthalmology specialists consultation meeting


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Reference comments

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Reference:

CONSULTATION vs KONSIL

MEDICAL CONSULTATION

a procedure whereby, on request by one physician, another physician reviews a patient's medical history, examines the patient, and makes recommendations as to care and treatment. The medical consultant often is a specialist with expertise in a particular field of medicine.

https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/medical con...

A medical consultation is a consultation which takes place between an employee and a licensed physician for the purpose of determining what medical examinations or procedures, if any, are appropriate in cases where a significant exposure to a hazardous chemical may have taken place. Medical consultation is important because it is the main opportunity for the doctor to explore the patient’s problems and concerns and to start to identify the reasons for their ill health. Traditionally, medical history-taking has been based on a conventional medical model and assumed that disease can be fully accounted for by deviations from normal biological function. It gave little consideration for the social, psychological and behavioral dimensions of illness.


https://doctoronlineconsultation.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/wh...

Konsil

Das Konsil oder Konsilium (lateinisch consilium: „Beratung“, „Rat“, „Ratschlag“) ist in der Medizin die patientenbezogene Beratung von Ärzten oder Psychotherapeuten durch einen entsprechenden Facharzt.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Konsil

Ärztliche Konsilien, kamen nach dem Vorbild von Rechtsgutachten um 1220 in Italien auf und dienten im Mittelalter (zu deutsch auch als „eins arzâtes rât“) vor allem dem Informationsaustausch zwischen akademischen Ärzten und Laien.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konsil

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Note added at 4 hrs (2018-10-02 14:37:10 GMT)
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IMO Consultation and Konsil are false friends
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