Apr 28, 2012 21:47
12 yrs ago
Spanish term

los que están en el pecho

Spanish to English Art/Literary General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters Religious Novel
Contexto:

"¿Nunca leísteis que de la boca de los niños y de **los que están en el pecho** sacasteis perfecta alabanza?"

Jesus talking about those who believe He is the Messiah (as opposed ot most of the Pharisees, some of whom He is addressing with the above question).

Mil Gracias,

Barbara
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Discussion

Charles Davis Apr 29, 2012:
When I was at school, and someone answered a question correctly, our Latin master used to say: "out of the mouth of babes and sucklings cometh forth wisdom". That's where I became familiar with it.
Charles Davis Apr 29, 2012:
sucklings There are many English translations of the Bible, and in this verse (Matt. 21:16) we find "sucklings", "infants" and "nursing babies" in different versions. Any of these renderings could, in principle, be justified. However, like others here, I would favour "sucklings", as in the Authorised (King James) Version, for two reasons.

First, as Carol has said, "out of the mouth of babes and sucklings" is one of those many expressions from the Authorised Version that have entered the language and become proverbial. It is a very familiar phrase, and to alter it jars, for me, though I understand why, in principle, the Church has chosen to eliminate such archaisms and use ordinary language to help the faithful understand Scripture.

Secondly, in this verse I think the archaic "sucklings" is particularly suitable, because when Christ says "have you not read?", He is referring to Psalm 8:2:

"Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger."

I think the archaic word "sucklings" helps to mark this as a quotation by Christ of what was already an ancient sacred text.
Denise Phelps Apr 29, 2012:
Well, it's a direct biblical quote, and looks like everyone's with the King James so far. 21st century would be "out of the mouths of babes and infants".
Barbara Cochran, MFA (asker) Apr 29, 2012:
Prefer "Sucklings" I think it's better to use "sucklings" because, after all, the speaker is Jesus Christ and the action is taking place during the First Century.
philgoddard Apr 29, 2012:
What kind of English are you using? King James (in which case sucklings would be fine), or 21st century (where it would sound odd)?

Proposed translations

+4
19 mins
Selected

and sucklings thou has perfect praise

this is what is said
Peer comment(s):

agree Denise Phelps
10 mins
Thanks Denise!
agree Carol Gullidge : yes, "out of the mouths of babes and sucklings" is an everyday phrase, albeit used in a different context these days
9 hrs
Thanks Carol!
agree Charles Davis : With Carol // :-)
10 hrs
Thanks Charles! does this mean I got one right?
agree MollyRose : Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings Thou hast perfected praise
2 days 20 mins
Thanks Molly
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
+3
24 mins

Sucklings/nursing infants

Hi, I found "sucklings" and "nursing infants". It depends on the Bible Version you read. I hope it helps you :)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 21:16&ve...

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 21:16&ve...
Peer comment(s):

agree Denise Phelps : In the King James version, it's "sucklings" (Psalm 8.2)
2 mins
agree Carol Gullidge : "out of the mouths of babes and sucklings" is extremely well known, a frequently quoted expression
9 hrs
agree Charles Davis : With Carol, but you're right that there are alternatives
10 hrs
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18 mins

nursing babies

My suggestion according to this source:

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Note added at 52 mins (2012-04-28 22:39:16 GMT)
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http://classic.net.bible.org

Matthew 21:16
Context
NET © and said to him, “Do you hear what they are saying?” Jesus said to them, “Yes. Have you never read, ‘Out of the mouths of children and nursing infants you have prepared praise for yourself’?” 1

NIV ©
"Do you hear what these children are saying?" they asked him. "Yes," replied Jesus, "have you never read, "‘From the lips of children and infants you have ordained praise’?"

NASB ©
and said to Him, "Do You hear what these children are saying?" And Jesus *said to them, "Yes; have you never read, ‘OUT OF THE MOUTH OF INFANTS AND NURSING BABIES YOU HAVE PREPARED PRAISE FOR YOURSELF’?"

NLT ©
and asked Jesus, "Do you hear what these children are saying?" "Yes," Jesus replied. "Haven’t you ever read the Scriptures? For they say, ‘You have taught children and infants to give you praise.’"

MSG ©
"Do you hear what these children are saying?" Jesus said, "Yes, I hear them. And haven't you read in God's Word, 'From the mouths of children and babies I'll furnish a place of praise'?"

BBE ©
Have you any idea what these are saying? And Jesus said to them, Yes: have you not seen in the Writings, From the lips of children and babies at the breast you have made your praise complete?

NRSV ©
and said to him, "Do you hear what these are saying?" Jesus said to them, "Yes; have you never read, ‘Out of the mouths of infants and nursing babies you have prepared praise for yourself’?"

NKJV ©
and said to Him, "Do You hear what these are saying?" And Jesus said to them, "Yes. Have you never read, ‘Out of the mouth of babes and nursing infants You have perfected praise’?"

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