Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

Hércules golpeando a las fieras

English translation:

fighting the wild animals

Added to glossary by kittilina
Nov 2, 2010 14:54
13 yrs ago
Spanish term

Hércules golpeando a las fieras

Spanish to English Art/Literary Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting Francisco de Goya
This is from a description of a painting from a series by Goya called 'La captura del bandido “Maragato” por fray Pedro de Zaldivia'.

I am wondering which of Hercules' exploits the above phrase refers to, if any, since during his labours he vanquished many beasts. Does anyone know/have an opinion on whether this is likely to be referring to any one set of animals in particular from the labours, or perhaps one of the incidents that happened along the way? Or is this perhaps some general vagueness on the part of the author? Is anyone familiar with this as some traditional scene with a general common title which might be depicted in art that the author could be referencing which shows Heracles/Hercules beating wild animals, perhaps?

Your opinions on the matter would be gratefully received, since I am not entirely sure what the author is referring to here, and since Hercules used his club quite a lot, I am unsure which occasion they might be thinking of.
More context below. UK Eng please. Thanks in advance.


El cuarto episodio del ciclo marca el comienzo del declive del “Maragato”. Cuando el bandido trata de alcanzar las escopetas del caballo, fray Pedro da la vuelta al fusil y se dispone a golpear a su enemigo con la culata. El bandido, caído al suelo, mira asustado a fray Pedro, cuyo rostro pintado por Goya refleja la duda y el conflicto interior de quien no está del todo convencido de sus actos. Finalmente, el monje reflexionó y decidió no golpear al malhechor sino al caballo, que salió espantado.
Se ha señalado que la postura del fraile está inspirada en las figuras clásicas de ***Hércules golpeando a las fieras***. Este es el momento en que mejor se combinan la humildad que fray Pedro mostró al llegar a la casa tomada por el bandido, y la ira de Dios que llevaba dentro, de la que se sirvió para capturarle, tal y como se pude leer en el folletín.
References
Nemean Lion
Change log

Nov 14, 2010 18:25: kittilina Created KOG entry

Discussion

ormiston Nov 4, 2010:
verb thinking of Hercules' classic depiction, the best verb might be 'brandish' but it proves hard to fit in with Kate's 'beasts'
Beatriz Souza Nov 4, 2010:
I think the "problem" is to chose the verb since all Hercules labors had something to do with wild beasts.
HTH.
beatriz souza

(...) Interpretation of The Twelve Labors of Hercules

The twelve labors of Hercules all involve the taming, capture, cleaning (the cleaning of the Augean Stables), or slaying of wild beasts. Taken in this context the labor of taking Hippolyte's girdle stands out. The myth serves not only to explain (according to the Greeks), why there were no Amazons in the Thermiscrya region of the Anatolia peninsula, but also show the unnatural or dangerous side to a woman not bound by the traditions of Ancient Greece. In a sense, a woman who was not bound by marriage or the customs of Greece was dangerous. (...)

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/aegean/amazons/amazon...
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"The 12 labors are referred to as the Nemean Lion, Lernean Hydra, Cerynitian Hind, Erymanthian Boar, Stables of Augeas, Stymphalian Birds, Cretan Bulls, Mares of Diomedes, Belt of Hippolyte, Cattle of Geryon, Apples of Hesperides, and the Hound of Hades."

(own glossary)
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meirs Nov 2, 2010:
Beasts I know that wild animals are beasts - but "beasts" is the term to google with IMHO
Evans (X) Nov 2, 2010:
Kate I'm with Andrew (and you) on this. There must be many depictions of Hercules smiting the various wild beasts in some of his Labours, and there was probably a common style to many of these depictions.
Christine Walsh Nov 2, 2010:
My first thought was also 'lions', but I think it means all the beasts he had to destroy. There is a certain similarity in posture between the Greco and some of these:

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Mythology/DHeraclesDiomedes.ht...
Kate Major Patience (asker) Nov 2, 2010:
Yes... That is what I'm thinking. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some event or description of a particular feat which in Spanish was described as Hercules fighting "las fieras"... Thanks for your help Andrew.
Andrew Cox Nov 2, 2010:
Kate I don't think the author can be referring to any specific beasts involved in Hercules' labours. It would have been easy enough to specify a particular animal if that were the author's intention. Perhaps a clue lies in the phrase 'figuras clásicas de Hércules'. This would seem to indicate that the author is not referring to any one depiction of Hercules but simply the prevailing carriage and demeanour he adopted when tackling the beasts.

Proposed translations

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fighting the wild animals

In the legend, he actually fought and captured a wild lion and a wild boar. See link for the story.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I used this general answer in the end - thanks everyone for the ideas. :)"
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Hercules fighting the lion(s)

Relief - Small - Hercules Fighting the Lion Wall Relief Art ...
Hercules tracked down the beast and cornered it in a cave. Shown on this wall hanging is Hercules ... Home > WALL DECOR > Relief - Small > Hercules Fighting the Lion Wall
Note from asker:
Hi, this was my first thought, but the original is plural. :/
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Hercules clubbing beasts

Fantastical Creatures and Magical Beasts - Google Books Result
Shannon Knudsen - 2009 - Juvenile Nonfiction - 48 pages
As Hercules clubbed off another head of the Hydra, Iolaus used the torch to burn ... Hercules clubbed it off the Hydra's body, but the head remained alive. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0822599872...
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Heracles shown club raised / clubbing beasts

His exploits included tackling a variety of animals (centaurs, stags etc) as well as lions so might be safer to say beasts. The 'classic' posture shown is club raised ready to strike
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Hercules battling with the beasts

that's how I'd say it
...clashing
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Reference comments

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Reference:

Nemean Lion

An educated guess - and it's about beasts rather than wild animals
Note from asker:
Hi - this was my first thought, but the original is plural. By the way, a beast IS a wild animal, given the general definition of the former... I wonder if the author might be referring to the beasts he fought in general...
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