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Can Altinbay 
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TOPIC STARTER In memoriam | And imagine the following | Aug 19, 2007 |
[quote]Monika Coulson wrote:
A newcomer finds ProZ.com, creates a profile and finds the KudoZ section as well. He starts giving Disagrees, let's say to a perfect and correct answer, his reason being: "Not so sure about this, but I will do my own research and come back to this" and leaves. No more to be seen...
Now, let's say that this perfect answer was already chosen as the best one, based on peer agrees (you know, those who have been around for a long time...)
Well, the sad truth is that this was not just my imagination, but it happened last week in my sub-community.
Cheers,
Monika
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A person who has been with ProZ and has been a member for a while, but is not very proficient in English starts giving disagrees based on his/her perception of the asker's term. It happens all the time.
| | | | heikeb
Member (2003)
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| asker responsibility | Aug 19, 2007 |
If at all, make it an asker option. If somebody wants to exclude potentially helpful answers, let them do it. But not as a general rule. The quality of the glossary depends more on the qualifications of the asker than on the qualification of those who agree/disagree.
If the quality of the glossary is so important, why apply the automatic grading system? Because this one is purely based on the number of agrees, which is - as we all know - not a reliable indicator.
Earlie... See more If at all, make it an asker option. If somebody wants to exclude potentially helpful answers, let them do it. But not as a general rule. The quality of the glossary depends more on the qualifications of the asker than on the qualification of those who agree/disagree.
If the quality of the glossary is so important, why apply the automatic grading system? Because this one is purely based on the number of agrees, which is - as we all know - not a reliable indicator.
Earlier answers often get more agrees than answers that are added after a couple of hours or even the next day since nobody looks at those answers again.
Maybe one reason is the notification of newly posted questions.
Anybody who feels qualified to answer will answer as soon as they receive this notificiation; anybody qualified to add their agree/disagree will do the same.
This means a high number of people look at a specific question within the first hour of its being posted. Agrees will mostly be distributed among those answers present at this point (in many cases, it's only a single answer). If the suggested answer(s) seems to be somewhat reasonable or - worse, but rather common - just "sounds good", it will get agrees.
I belong to the people that look at the answers only sporadically and often supply answers hours after the question has been asked. Often there's not a single agree on correct answers as answers that are added later simply do not have the same exposure as earlier ones.
Maybe a time limit of 1 hour before any agrees can be given might prevent the overly rash agrees and allow for a few more answers to be posted.
Although this will most likely not change much as it always falls back on the asker to make the correct choice, no matter what kind of restrictions will be placed on the answerers/agreeers.
[Edited at 2007-08-19 17:14]
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| | | | | The dark side of the moon! | Aug 19, 2007 |
I don't know what was the purpose of this new restriction, but I found it useful regarding this scenario:
I have noticed that some people (specifically in English Farsi pair, in which I am active) create "ghost" profiles, just to put agreements for their own answers and disagreements for other suggestions!! They simply want to be awarded more KudoZ points and improve their rating among other translators.
This new restriction has obviously mitigated this phenomenon, but... See more I don't know what was the purpose of this new restriction, but I found it useful regarding this scenario:
I have noticed that some people (specifically in English Farsi pair, in which I am active) create "ghost" profiles, just to put agreements for their own answers and disagreements for other suggestions!! They simply want to be awarded more KudoZ points and improve their rating among other translators.
This new restriction has obviously mitigated this phenomenon, but there may be more effective ways to address this problem. As a matter of fact, answering KudoZ questions has been turned to a "competition" by some colleagues, and this has ruined the main purpose of this service.
I think ProZ staff should develop and utilize some procedures to combat this kind of behaviour, although these methods could restrict us to some extent. ▲ Collapse
| | | | | If the issue is with Disagrees... | Aug 19, 2007 |
... then why not just add the restriction to the ability to disagree only?
Unprofessional disagreeing is not something I notice a lot of these days in my pair (those days are behind us now), but if it happens in other pairs and is a problem, then OK.
Most of the objections to this splendid new feature focus on the inability to actually agree with an answer.
So, in a nutshell, you have a problem with Disagrees, and your proposed solution creates havoc with t... See more ... then why not just add the restriction to the ability to disagree only?
Unprofessional disagreeing is not something I notice a lot of these days in my pair (those days are behind us now), but if it happens in other pairs and is a problem, then OK.
Most of the objections to this splendid new feature focus on the inability to actually agree with an answer.
So, in a nutshell, you have a problem with Disagrees, and your proposed solution creates havoc with the ability to Agree.
I suggest you fine tune your solution to meet the actual problem, as outlined above. Job done ▲ Collapse
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Mariam Osmann
Egypt
Local time: 01:24
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| restriction for new comers only | Aug 19, 2007 |
Monika Coulson wrote:
A newcomer finds ProZ.com, creates a profile and finds the KudoZ section as well. He starts giving Disagrees, let's say to a perfect and correct answer, his reason being: "Not so sure about this, but I will do my own research and come back to this" and leaves. No more to be seen...
if user = "new user"
{print "You are allowed to suggest answer" you can agree/disagree to peers answer starting from "3-months - joint date" }
any short code can solve the problem of new comers.
Proz staff is fully capable of brainstorming and finding out a solution for the problem of fake profiles created to serve kudoz and LWA through follow up and CRM techniques.
[Modifié le 2007-08-19 21:05]
| | | | Can Altinbay
Local time: 18:24
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TOPIC STARTER In memoriam | Let's base our decision on the numbers | Aug 19, 2007 |
MAllaqui wrote: Monika Coulson wrote:
A newcomer finds ProZ.com, creates a profile and finds the KudoZ section as well. He starts giving Disagrees, let's say to a perfect and correct answer, his reason being: "Not so sure about this, but I will do my own research and come back to this" and leaves. No more to be seen...
if user = "new user" {print "You are allowed to suggest answer" you can agree/disagree to peers answer starting from "3-months - joint date" } any short code can solve the problem of new comers. Proz staff is fully capable of brainstorming and finding out a solution for the problem of fake profiles created to serve kudoz and LWA through follow up and CRM techniques. [Modifié le 2007-08-19 21:05]
Have we established that newcomers are the problem? Monika gives one example, and that's fine. But what if the problem is mostly caused by people who are not new? If most of the offenders are ProZ veterans of 6 or more years, then do we write
if user.yearsAtProZ > 6 ?
Shouldn't we at least find out, rather than go from anecdotal evidence?
| | | | Mariam Osmann
Egypt
Local time: 01:24
Member (2007)
English to Arabic
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Can Altinbay wrote:
Have we established that newcomers are the problem? Monika gives one example, and that's fine. But what if the problem is mostly caused by people who are not new? If most of the offenders are ProZ veterans of 6 or more years, then do we write
Voila you are paraphrasing better then me. I mean if they are the problem then the rule should not be generalized. Coz It will be a piece of cake to solve it.
Actually I mean they are not. Some veterans disagree to REVENGE from a previous disagreement and others do because of personal problems with the answerer.
or just saying "I'm here Prozains" with the red -1
yes?
| | | | | Please report these situations to site staff | Aug 20, 2007 |
Mohammad Reza Razaghi wrote:
I have noticed that some people (specifically in English Farsi pair, in which I am active) create "ghost" profiles, just to put agreements for their own answers and disagreements for other suggestions!! They simply want to be awarded more KudoZ points and improve their rating among other translators.
Hi Mohamad,
If you notice this kind of activity please contact staff by means of a support ticket. We have means to verify these cases, a clear violation of rule http://www.proz.com/siterules/general/7#7 , and we take them very seriously.
Regards,
Enrique
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| Support ticket submitted | Aug 20, 2007 |
Enrique wrote: Mohammad Reza Razaghi wrote:
I have noticed that some people (specifically in English Farsi pair, in which I am active) create "ghost" profiles, just to put agreements for their own answers and disagreements for other suggestions!! They simply want to be awarded more KudoZ points and improve their rating among other translators.
Hi Mohamad, If you notice this kind of activity please contact staff by means of a support ticket. We have means to verify these cases, a clear violation of rule http://www.proz.com/siterules/general/7#7 , and we take them very seriously. Regards, Enrique
Hello Enrique,
Thanks for your comment. I have just submitted a support ticket, containing details of this problem. I hope ProZ staff can help in this regard.
Best Wishes,
M. Razaghi
| | | | | Stop giving browniZ | Aug 20, 2007 |
Personally, the only possible problem I have noticed, at least in my language pair is that some people might be giving agrees and disagrees just to earn browniz. No skill involved.
As an occasional asker I would hate to see any barriers being put up to answers, the stupid ones make my laugh, not angry, but they are rare, I mostly get people who are making a genuine contribution to my understanding and all help is gratefully received. That goes for agrees and disagrees too. Even the... See more Personally, the only possible problem I have noticed, at least in my language pair is that some people might be giving agrees and disagrees just to earn browniz. No skill involved.
As an occasional asker I would hate to see any barriers being put up to answers, the stupid ones make my laugh, not angry, but they are rare, I mostly get people who are making a genuine contribution to my understanding and all help is gratefully received. That goes for agrees and disagrees too. Even the browniz hunters are quite easily identified. ▲ Collapse
| | | | | Restriction deactivated | Aug 21, 2007 |
Thanks for your feedback, the restriction has been deactivated.
Regards,
Enrique
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