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expressisverbis
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Tom in London wrote:
Indeed, and don't make basic mistakes such as "loose" instead of "lose" etc.
Can we use 'etc.' after 'such as'? Isn't it redundant?
I don't translate into English, but exclusively into my native language.
Of course, I could be wrong...
| | | | Gerard de Noord 
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TOPIC STARTER | Muphry's law | Apr 14, 2022 |
expressisverbis wrote: Tom in London wrote:
Indeed, and don't make basic mistakes such as "loose" instead of "lose" etc. Can we use 'etc.' after 'such as'? Isn't it redundant? I don't translate into English, but exclusively into my native language. Of course, I could be wrong...
Tom is the living proof of Muphry's law. He makes minor spelling and grammatical mistakes all the time correcting us, but he only seems to notice our mistakes.
Cheers,
Gerard
| | | | Samuel Murray
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expressisverbis wrote: Tom in London wrote:
Indeed, and don't make basic mistakes such as "loose" instead of "lose" etc. Can we use 'etc.' after 'such as'? Isn't it redundant?
Yes, some style guide authors consider the use of both "e.g." and "etc." in the same sentence to be a style error (and may use the term "redundant" to describe the error). To make matters worse for poor Tom, it is also frowned upon to use "etc." after a list containing only one item.
But in forums we tend to write the way we speak, so let's give the man the benefit of the doubt (or as we say in Afrikaans, "die binnevet van die boud").
| | | | Tom in London
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Samuel Murray wrote: expressisverbis wrote: Tom in London wrote:
Indeed, and don't make basic mistakes such as "loose" instead of "lose" etc. Can we use 'etc.' after 'such as'? Isn't it redundant? Yes, some style guide authors consider the use of both "e.g." and "etc." in the same sentence to be a style error (and may use the term "redundant" to describe the error). To make matters worse for poor Tom, it is also frowned upon to use "etc." after a list containing only one item. But in forums we tend to write the way we speak, so let's give the man the benefit of the doubt (or as we say in Afrikaans, "die binnevet van die boud").
You're both wrong (or as you would probably say "Your both wrong"). Etc. Not knowing the difference between "lose" and "loose" is not a minor grammatical or spelling mistake.
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Lingua 5B
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| Of course it’s minor. | Apr 15, 2022 |
Even GT and spelling check can correct loose/lose in context. If machines can do it, it’s minor.
| | | | P.L.F. Persio
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Tom, you know I love you to bits, but I can't stay silent anymore: most of us here are not native speakers of English, so please, cut us some slack.
Yes, sometimes, there are typos and errors in our posts, so what? No one's perfect, and you can join in our club, since you're far from being perfect too, Tom.
Can't we just try to get along? Isn't there enough pain and grief in the world?
I've been rather offensive to a couple of people on here recently, and I... See more Tom, you know I love you to bits, but I can't stay silent anymore: most of us here are not native speakers of English, so please, cut us some slack.
Yes, sometimes, there are typos and errors in our posts, so what? No one's perfect, and you can join in our club, since you're far from being perfect too, Tom.
Can't we just try to get along? Isn't there enough pain and grief in the world?
I've been rather offensive to a couple of people on here recently, and I'm sorry I've hurt them. Although I maintain that I was right, and they were wrong, I still should have resisted the urge to be sarcastic, and a bit of a bitch.
I say this to myself, first and foremost: And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
My best wishes of a happy Easter to each and every one of us. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Lingua 5B
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Tom is just busy correcting forum posts because nobody hires him to correct serious content for money. So it’s alright, let him play with lose/loose and your/you’re (tasks for kids in the second grade).
And expressisverbis makes a good point, “etc.” is redundant after “such as”. These semantic interpretations can go on endlessly, but forum is definitely not a place for it, minus the sections dedicated to language discussions.
| | | | Samuel Murray
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Tom in London wrote:
Not knowing the difference between "lose" and "loose" is not a minor grammatical or spelling mistake.
Yes, but we measure different people by different measures. We expect more from a translator translating into English than from a translator not translating into English. We forgive bigger mistakes from non-native speakers.
The fact is that the current group of forum moderators considers grammar naziism to be acceptable behaviour, so we'll just have to tolerate it. So, Tom, which is it... "consider" or "considers"? (-:
[Edited at 2022-04-15 09:12 GMT]
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Lingua 5B
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| Also relevancy. | Apr 15, 2022 |
These mistakes are not relevant for someone not translating into English. If they do, however, spelling check will fix things such as you’re and loose. I think non-native speakers tend to have much bigger issues with English than loose and you’re.
| | | | Samuel Murray
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| Mine wouldn't | Apr 15, 2022 |
Lingua 5B wrote:
Spelling check will fix things such as you’re and loose.
My English spell-checker accepts both your and you're and lose and loose, so if I were to use lose when I meant to use loose, the spell-checker wouldn't warn me.
| | | | | Interesting concept | Apr 15, 2022 |
Tom in London wrote:
You're both wrong (or as you would probably say "Your both wrong").
This is an interesting new concept, proactive revision, where colleagues' mistakes are corrected before they have committed them – or perhaps even thought of committing them.
| | | | Lingua 5B
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| Lose/loose end | Apr 15, 2022 |
Seems Tom is as smart as Google automated statistics.
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Lingua 5B
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You need to fix your spell check settings. Anything on Google and in CAT tools will fix loose and your, with the right settings.
| | | | Brian Joyce
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| The arch luddite and his struggle against the machines. | Apr 15, 2022 |
We live in a world where A.I. can create art, apparently.
The A.I program is shown millions of images and then told to make one itself. But without any basic understanding of aesthetics, or humour or anything human, A.I. art is a garbled mass of amateur junk that serves nothing.
Coming back to the "pattern recognition" comments in previous posts in this thread, humans and A.I work by pattern recognition, but only a human can impose an "aesthetic hierarchy" on the patterns it sees.<... See more We live in a world where A.I. can create art, apparently.
The A.I program is shown millions of images and then told to make one itself. But without any basic understanding of aesthetics, or humour or anything human, A.I. art is a garbled mass of amateur junk that serves nothing.
Coming back to the "pattern recognition" comments in previous posts in this thread, humans and A.I work by pattern recognition, but only a human can impose an "aesthetic hierarchy" on the patterns it sees.
To the A.I, it's just another image and no matter how many calculations A.I can make, without a basic "need" for art, A.I art will always be worthless. ▲ Collapse
| | | | | As long as ... | Apr 16, 2022 |
... the documentation and the manuals are written in such a way in the source language I had the honor to cope with in my last positions as a technician I'm not afraid of AI-driven translation tools. No AI will correctly translate a text that was written incorrectly because the author was bored, distracted by Social Media, or didn't understand the instructions and regulations he had to write because it was one of the duties he hated most beside the people, who ought to know it better than him, b... See more ... the documentation and the manuals are written in such a way in the source language I had the honor to cope with in my last positions as a technician I'm not afraid of AI-driven translation tools. No AI will correctly translate a text that was written incorrectly because the author was bored, distracted by Social Media, or didn't understand the instructions and regulations he had to write because it was one of the duties he hated most beside the people, who ought to know it better than him, but they won't give him their answers and he's simply too arrogant to ask, etc. ▲ Collapse
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