leg

French translation: phase / pôle / ligne

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English term or phrase:leg
French translation:phase / pôle / ligne
Entered by: Tony M

11:19 Aug 20, 2017
English to French translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Electronics / Elect Eng / Installation of charging station for electric cars
English term or phrase: leg
Wye Connection

.. two of the legs can be used to provide 208V....
Hélène Curtis
Canada
Local time: 06:50
ligne
Explanation:
or 'pôle' or 'phase'

It's referring to the 3 'legs' or phases in a 3-phase star connection; just as in Europe there is 110 V (or 230 V here) between any one phase and neutral (except in one special wiring configuration!), but you can get 208 V (or 380 V) here if you connect instead betwene two phases, which tedn to be called 'legs', most especially in the USA.

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I don't think there is any possible confusion with a 'transmission line', since the context here is totally explicit and unambiguous.
However, if you have even the slightest qualm, you could safely use 'phase' instead ; though FR does also use 'pôle' (even though we are not talking here about anything like a 'switch pole', for example) — we would NOT use 'pole' here in EN, but it is quite common in FR to refer to the 'pôles' of a 3-phase system.
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Tony M
France
Local time: 12:50
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I decided to use "phase". Tks
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4 +1ligne
Tony M
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Marcombes (X)
4phase ou sommet (en cas de system high-leg delta)
Johannes Gleim


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ligne


Explanation:
or 'pôle' or 'phase'

It's referring to the 3 'legs' or phases in a 3-phase star connection; just as in Europe there is 110 V (or 230 V here) between any one phase and neutral (except in one special wiring configuration!), but you can get 208 V (or 380 V) here if you connect instead betwene two phases, which tedn to be called 'legs', most especially in the USA.

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Note added at 1 jour1 minute (2017-08-21 11:21:03 GMT)
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I don't think there is any possible confusion with a 'transmission line', since the context here is totally explicit and unambiguous.
However, if you have even the slightest qualm, you could safely use 'phase' instead ; though FR does also use 'pôle' (even though we are not talking here about anything like a 'switch pole', for example) — we would NOT use 'pole' here in EN, but it is quite common in FR to refer to the 'pôles' of a 3-phase system.

Tony M
France
Local time: 12:50
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 1453
Grading comment
I decided to use "phase". Tks
Notes to answerer
Asker: I was going to use the term "ligne" but wasn't sure. Thanks


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agree  Kim Metzger
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Explanation:
de phase delta

Marcombes (X)
France
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neutral  Tony M: I have grave doubts, never having personally encountered this term in this context; can you provide any refs. to illustrate this usage?
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phase ou sommet (en cas de system high-leg delta)


Explanation:
"leg" is commonly used for the 240/208/120 V system, called "High-leg delta".

High-leg delta (also known as wild-leg, stinger leg, bastard leg, high-leg, orange-leg, or red-leg delta) is a type of electrical service connection for three-phase electric power installations. It is used when both single and three-phase power is desired to be supplied from a three phase transformer (or transformer bank). The three-phase power is connected in the delta configuration, and the center point of one phase is grounded.
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High-leg delta service is supplied in one of two ways. One is by a transformer having four wires coming out of the secondary, the three phases, plus a neutral connected as a center-tap on one of the windings. … The voltages between the three phases are the same in magnitude, however the voltage magnitudes between a particular phase and the neutral vary. The phase-to-neutral voltage of two of the phases will be half of the phase-to-phase voltage. The remaining phase-to-neutral voltage will be √3/2 the phase-to-phase voltage. So if A-B, B-C and C-A are all 240 volts, then A-N and C-N will both be 120 volts, but B-N will be 208 volts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-leg_delta

High Leg Delta
Si du triphasé est nécessaire, on utilise un autre type de transfo d'alimentation. Chaque utilisateur industriel a sa propre cabine de transformation et on utilise un branchement spécial, ici aussi pour permettre le branchements d'appareils 120V et 240V: “high leg delta”.
Le neutre, au lieu d'être connecté au centre de l'étoile est connecté entre deux phases via le transfo réducteur de tension. Une des phases a donc une tension plus élevée par rapport au neutre (high leg).
Le neutre est ici aussi mis à la masse dans la cabine de transformation.
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Le triphasé "high leg delta" n'est d'application qu'à partir du dernier transfo (celui qui produit la tension pour les utilisateurs). C'est la mise au neutre spéciale qui fait d'un triphasé normal un triphasé high leg delta
http://server.idemdito.org/electro/elec/usa.htm

240 V, 480 V, 600 V, 240/120 V
High-Leg Delta / extremo alto de una instalación
en delta / sommet du triangle
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...

REMARQUE : Sur une installation en sommet de triangle, le sommet du triangle du système d'alimentation doit être raccordé au fil orange du SPD.
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...

Voir aussi : http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_french/energy_power_gen...

As it is not clear from the context, what grid system is used, the alternate interpretation is also possible:

Area Generation, transmission and distribution of electricity - General / Equipment
IEV ref 601-03-09
en phase
the designation of any conductor, bundle of conductors, terminal, winding or any other element of a polyphase system, which is intended to be energized under normal use
fr phase, f
désignation d'un conducteur, d'un faisceau de conducteurs, de bornes, d'enroulements ou de tout autre élément d'un réseau polyphasé et susceptible d'être sous tension en service normal
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...

Area Generation, transmission and distribution of electricity - General / Equipment
IEV ref 601-03-03
en electric line
an arrangement of conductors, insulating materials and accessories for transferring electricity between two points of a system
fr ligne électrique, f
ensemble constitué de conducteurs, d'isolants et d'accessoires destiné au transfert d'énergie électrique d'un point à un autre d'un réseau
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...

A three-phase system may be arranged in delta (∆) or star (Y) (also denoted as wye in some areas). A wye system allows the use of two different voltages from all three phases, such as a 230/400 V system which provides 230 V between the neutral (centre hub) and any one of the phases, and 400 V across any two phases
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase

Area Generation, transmission and distribution of electricity - General / System configuration
IEV ref 601-02-03
en three-phase system diagram
a diagram of a three-phase system in which all phase and neutral conductors are each represented by separate lines
fr schéma triphasé d'un réseau, m
schéma d'un réseau triphasé dans lequel chaque conducteur de phase et de neutre est représenté
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...

Area Power transformers and reactors / Connections
IEV ref 421-10-01
en star connection
Y connection (US)
wye connection (US)
the winding connection so arranged that one end of each of the phase windings of a polyphase transformer or reactor, or of each of the windings for the same rated voltage of single-phase transformers or reactors associated in a polyphase bank, is connected to a common point, i.e. the neutral point, and the other end to its appropriate line terminal
fr connexion étoile, f
connexion des enroulements dans laquelle une extrémité de chaque enroulement de phase d'un transformateur ou d'une bobine d'inductance polyphasés ou de chaque enroulement de même tension assignée pour les transformateurs ou les bobines d'inductance monophasés constituant un groupe polyphasé, est connectée à un point commun, le point neutre, l'autre extrémité étant reliée à la borne de ligne correspondante
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...

Anyway, I wouldn’t use "line" or "ligne", as this term is specific for transmission lines:

Area Electrical and magnetic devices / Connections and connecting devices
IEV ref 151-12-27
en line
device connecting two points for the purpose of conveying electromagnetic energy between them
Note 1 – Electromagnetic energy may be extracted from or supplied to a line at an intermediate point.
Note 2 – Examples of lines are two-wire line, polyphase line, coaxial line, waveguide.
[SOURCE: 466-01-01 MOD, 601-03-03 MOD]
fr ligne, f
dispositif reliant deux points et destiné à transmettre de l'énergie électromagnétique entre eux
Note 1 – De l'énergie électromagnétique peut être extraite d'une ligne ou lui être fournie en un point intermédiaire.
Note 2 – Des exemples de lignes sont une ligne bifilaire, une ligne polyphasée, une ligne coaxiale, un guide d'ondes.
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...


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Excerpt from ELECTRICAL CURRENT ABROAD, 1984 Edition:
Alternating nominal voltage: Alternating current is normally distributed either through 3 phase wye ("star") or delta ("triangle"), 4-wire secondary distribution systems. In the wye or star distribution system the nominal voltage examples are: 120/208, 127/22, 220/380, and 230/400. The higher voltage is 1.732 (the square root of 3) times the lower voltage. In a delta or triangle system, 110/220 and 230/460 are examples of nominal voltages. The higher voltage is always double the lower voltage.
The higher voltage is obtained by using 2 or 3 phase wires and the neutral wire while the lower voltage is the voltage between the neutral wire and one phase wire. The higher voltage may be single or 3 phase while the lower voltage is always single phase and used primarily for lighting and for small appliances.
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.b4263653;view=1up...

Electric Current Abroad
A useful tool for exporters, manufacturers, and travellers alike, “Electric Current Abroad” lists the characteristics of electric current available and the type of attachment plugs used in over 150 countries. It is an update of a similar handbook published in 1991. The booklet includes a comprehensive table that indicates the type of current (alternating or direct current), number of phases, frequency (hertz), and voltage, as well as the stability of the frequency and the number of wires to a commercial or residential installation.
http://www.trade.gov/publications/abstracts/electric-current...

As shown above, the generic term for any "leg" is "phase", "phase" in French as well.

Johannes Gleim
Local time: 12:50
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 339
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you for the references and I am sure other translators will find it useful but Tony had already suggested the term "phase" in his answer and I don't think "ligne" is totally wrong but perhaps not the best answer.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Tony M: But this isn't 'high-leg delta': it says it's 'wye'! The s/t says "two of the legs", so clearly it isn't talking about the HLD of using a connection between one specific phase and neutral. So 'sommet' would be quite wrong here.
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  -> If we have a "real" wye system, the alternate term "phase" is applicable. Anyway, "sommet" is also a phase.
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